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<TokyoTrekker> _\\//
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<Deyvid> Heya TokyoTrekker LLAP Kuaplauh
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<Deyvid> on and on and on
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<TokyoTrekker> Last night a VJ save my life from an internet troll♪
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<Deyvid> How many songs work in the sound of a flushing toilet lol
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<Deyvid> Away goes your troubles down the train
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<Deyvid> *drain
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<Deyvid> or the train, either way works
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<TokyoTrekker> Do you think you're better off at home? :P
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<TokyoTrekker> somebody should remix that song with the meep from the muppet Beaker :P
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<Deyvid> I love 70s disco-jazz
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<TokyoTrekker> well, there's interpretations of originals....then there's this....
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<TokyoTrekker> Toto is the name of a line of toilets, and also a soccer lottery game here in Japan
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<Deyvid> lol nice
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<Deyvid> mInDu' ghung vIghaj. ("I've got hungry eyes")
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<Capt.Tsonia> Jolan Tru and Qapla'
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<Capt.Tsonia> Yep
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<Capt.Tsonia> Grace Slick had a voice
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<Capt.Tsonia> that's our song
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<Capt.Tsonia> yes
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<Capt.Tsonia> it was really fun
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<TokyoTrekker> Oh yeah, Kim Cattrall....I'll be in my bunk
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<Capt.Tsonia> omg that was a great movie
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<Capt.Tsonia> NOOO
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<Capt.Tsonia> Love the Rock but...BTILC is a classic
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<TokyoTrekker> no reboots or remakes, they need to continue it with Big Trouble in Little Tokyo and Big Trouble in Little Seoul
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<Capt.Tsonia> lol I like that idea
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<Capt.Tsonia> wait I think Brandon Lee may have done Trouble in Little Tokyo
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<TokyoTrekker> Dolf Lundgren (sp?) did a Little Tokyo movie with Tia Carrera i think
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<Capt.Tsonia> yes thats the one with Brandon Lee(Bruce Lee's son)
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<Capt.Tsonia> waves
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<Capt.Tsonia> she was great as a vulcan
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<Capt.Tsonia> no
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<Capt.Tsonia> stand alone good movie
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<TokyoTrekker> wasn't related to BTILC
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<Capt.Tsonia> thats it showdown not trouble lol
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<TokyoTrekker> lunch time, back in an hour
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<dafydd68> this sounds a little like KraftWerk
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<Deyvid> Yeah
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<dafydd68> lol - so does this!
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<Capt.Tsonia> tune
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<Deyvid> I've thought about trying to recreate this robot costume for cosplay
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<Deyvid> http://sushibomb.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/daft_punk_visor.jpg
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<Deyvid> not everyone would recognize it but I'd think it'd be cool
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<dafydd68> nice - almost doubles as a Star Trek away team uniform :-)
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<dafydd68> yup - idiots spoiling it for the rest
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<dafydd68> yeah - that's not funny
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<BLINDBAT> hello
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<dafydd68> They are cowards - sexist, racist cowards.
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<BLINDBAT> they did the same for the orginal star trek Nichelle Nichols was targeted becasue she was black
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<Durzan20> 4chan populist idiot white whining mysoginists
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<Capt.Tsonia> Hi BB
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<BLINDBAT> hello capt
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<BLINDBAT> I remember her talking about it in a interview she was one of the first black actress on a major tv show
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<Durzan20> here is something i found hysterical : this is a satire about jordan peterson : he is a 4chan "intellectual" that rationalizes why white guys should be in charge and women in the kitchen
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<Durzan20> https://www.somethingawful.com/news/jordan-peterson-interview/
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<Capt.Tsonia> there are always a few mean people out there...
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<BLINDBAT> there will always be hate in the world we can just be a becon of light to shut down the darkness
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<Capt.Tsonia> exactly
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<Durzan20> twitter/facebook/instagram/ should all be boycotted by rational human beings, but since apparently they are too weak for that..
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<Capt.Tsonia> I hope many did
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<BLINDBAT> the problem is anything can be miss read as hate just because you dont agree
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<Durzan20> i prefer to remind them they probably have at least 8% african genetics
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<dafydd68> Like Deyvid said - this is more than an individual disagreeing...this is about a whole group of people targetting an ethnic minority to take the blame for something that they had very little control o
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<Capt.Tsonia> you can disagree in a positive non-attacking way
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<Durzan20> social media empowers mob think, and deludes those people into thinking they are normal
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<Durzan20> before the net, it was very difficult for neo-nazis to commiserate togethor around the world
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<Capt.Tsonia> they are emboldened by the anonymity
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<BLINDBAT> not that I agree with what is said I have had someone report me because I said that maybe some of the haters need to walk a mile in my shoes
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<Durzan20> that too
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<dafydd68> your solution has a name - it's called being a decent human being. Stand up for the bullied.
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<dafydd68> http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/la-et-entertainment-news-updates-2018-kelly-marie-tran-s-harassers-called-out-1528337952-htmlstory.html
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<BLINDBAT> to understand what is like to be handicaped
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<dafydd68> with respect BB, an individual story is not the same as that which Tran had to deal with
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<Durzan20> but i heard star trek discovery was awful because it shoved the LGBT agenda right down your throat! :)
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<BLINDBAT> I love star trek discovery
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<dafydd68> haha - yes, there will always be haters, and that is fine. It is not too much to ask haters not to harrass
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<Capt.Tsonia> hmmmm some might see it that way Durzan but that's too bad...most of the world is okay with it.
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<Durzan20> and dont forget a woman named michael, this is also apparently evil and wrong
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<dafydd68> in TOS there was the multi-racial kiss
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<BLINDBAT> I know as I said I dont agree with what was said or done to her
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<Durzan20> (im a huge lefty when i say things like that its sarcastic :)
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<Capt.Tsonia> i wish they could censor anyone that threatens another
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<dafydd68> lol - if I were gay, i'd be after you Durzan lol
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<BLINDBAT> ok I was worried about you dafydd68
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<Capt.Tsonia> me too and I married him hehe
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<Durzan20> no, this group feeds on that deyvid
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<dafydd68> lol
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<Durzan20> it just has to naturally die out on its own
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<BLINDBAT> sorry durzan20 I was worried about you
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<Capt.Tsonia> it is sad
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<Durzan20> the 4chan crowd has entirely forgotten what the point of politics is, their only goal is usually to make other cry these days
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<dafydd68> yeah I was thinking that she mught have a case of intellectual copyright - they are using her photos to directly contradcit her beliefs...in the name of "humour"
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<Durzan20> so explaining how pissed you are only feeds them
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<Capt.Tsonia> good point
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<Capt.Tsonia> but we must say something in support of the bullied
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<BLINDBAT> maybe you are right maybe their "friends" need to call them out and say hay not cool
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<Durzan20> its populism.. comes and goes.. has to burn out on its own.. but its never had the internet to sustain it worldwide before
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<dafydd68> more empowered
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<Capt.Tsonia> definitely
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<Durzan20> their friends think just like they do
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<BLINDBAT> not always
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<dafydd68> yeah - positive reinforcement.
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<Durzan20> no, but to a great extent
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<dafydd68> there is a solution, obligate news sources to report BOTH sides of any story. Challenge preconceptions instead of reinforcing them.
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<dafydd68> AMke sure that consequences are highlighted.
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<BLINDBAT> but maybe if the ones that dont agree speak up do then others will follow
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<dafydd68> Disagreeing is fine - but not personal attacks. There is a clear demarcation.
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<BLINDBAT> true
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<Durzan20> ps. im not saying dont speak up, challenge hate anywhere. just dont delude yourself that challenging them isnt exactly what they want
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<BLINDBAT> I remember hearing about the attack on black people
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<dafydd68> I agree Durzan, some people need the hate to get angry....positive feedback
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<dafydd68> but they are a minority, given a majority's platform right now because there is no obligation to balance reporting
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<Durzan20> oh they dont even have a majority platform
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<dafydd68> no - just the platform that a majorty should command.
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<Durzan20> they had fox news.. but its a shadow of what it was 2 years ago.. and even fox has started attacking trump for lying
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<Durzan20> (a little) :)
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<BLINDBAT> officer Clemmons was the name of the cop
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<dafydd68> yeah - so the far right heads back towards Breitbart - but there are still personal opinions of right wingers being touted as "news" and because there is no challenge to it, Fox gets away with it
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<dafydd68> and it is seen as truth
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<dafydd68> Reagan repealed the law that required balance
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<Durzan20> lacing the water supply with psilocybin is frowned upon for some reason
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<BLINDBAT> Francois Clemmons was the actors name that played the cop
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<dafydd68> You are quite right Deyvid.
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<Durzan20> its they dying gasp of the white patriarchy.. the solution is already in action, their numbers dwindle every day
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<dafydd68> I sure hope so
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<Durzan20> sociopaths empathy is buried beneath the rage, so you have to get through the rage to reach it.. not easy
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<dafydd68> exactly - a critique of a performance is one thing, but the focus on her race and/or gender is very poor.
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<Durzan20> she was female, asian, brown, chubby, cute, empathetic.. everything 4chan hates
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<Capt.Tsonia> just stay positive and if you see it happening be supportive
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<BLINDBAT> kill them with kindness
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<Capt.Tsonia> mhmmm
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<dafydd68> yes - it is harder to do that than yell back....
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<Durzan20> age is immaterial if you consider someone less than human
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<Durzan20> The human virus must be eradicated before it infects the innocent galaxy at large.
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<Capt.Tsonia> we mostly hear the bad on the news the majority of humans are good...I have always believed that
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<BLINDBAT> some people are pissed to be pissed
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<Capt.Tsonia> even some murderers on death row would risk their lives to save another human if given a chance
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<Durzan20> havnet you ever watched ESD chat? :)
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<BLINDBAT> show the reason the mirror universe is the mirror universe
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<Capt.Tsonia> hmmm yep probably
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<BLINDBAT> but words do hurt just as bad a knife
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<Capt.Tsonia> true
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<Durzan20> some of those trolls might as well be robots, they do the same crap, same shtick, same exact quotes over and over
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<Capt.Tsonia> like a broken record
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<Capt.Tsonia> like they are almost brainwashed...
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<Durzan20> or like their hatred/trolling has become entwined with their OCD
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<BLINDBAT> first of all hate is learned you are not born that way
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<Capt.Tsonia> well we have laws...about discrimination
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<Capt.Tsonia> but lately those long fought for laws are being challenged in these times
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<Durzan20> and sadly, a lot of autistic types with the 4chan people, and they dont listen to reason very well to begin with
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<BLINDBAT> tangets can be good
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<Durzan20> probably part of the reason they get so tangled up in conspiracy theories
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<Capt.Tsonia> hmmm i've tried to reason with a trek club friend who is soooo into conspiracies...almost impossible
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<Durzan20> is he so far gone as to think trump and putin are here to save us from the deep state?
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<Capt.Tsonia> but try to still be a good friend
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<Capt.Tsonia> his catch phrase is always the power elite
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<Capt.Tsonia> everything is their fault
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<Durzan20> well if hes not a putin lover hes not completely gone then
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<Capt.Tsonia> he is smart and can be convincing others....a scary thought lol
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<BLINDBAT> show love not hate
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<Capt.Tsonia> love is a powerful tool
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<Durzan20> a lot of their basic conspiracies are grounded in some truth
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<BLINDBAT> or the person bullied could end up be the mass murder
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<Capt.Tsonia> yep that is why they are believable...if you don't check all the facts
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<Durzan20> the deep state exists.. its just not all bad.. sometimes it even saves the world from catastrophe
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<Capt.Tsonia> good point
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<Capt.Tsonia> i personally enjoy the alien theories and conspiracies...it is very entertaining
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<Capt.Tsonia> mostly....not the experimenting lol
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<Durzan20> some are far more harmless than others
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<Capt.Tsonia> but then again I live in Bigfoot country and I want to believe...lol
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<BLINDBAT> ok can I be you goofy blindbat warror lol
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<Durzan20> ive gotten into two one sided fights(i cant seem to hit people) but i can take a punch for a woman
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<TokyoTrekker> Rule #1 of social media, never read the comments
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<Durzan20> im still very unclear what the good is
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<Durzan20> to me, at best, social media feeds sociatal narcisism
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<Durzan20> and its downhill from there
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<TokyoTrekker> social media CAN play a role in getting information out very fast
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<Capt.Tsonia> yes that is one of the good things
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<Capt.Tsonia> I agree try not to read the comments
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<Capt.Tsonia> Tune
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<Deyvid> Social media can be good and have positive effects on society and inviduals, it's just a tool, depends on how you use it
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<Durzan20> cell phones can get emergency warning far more efficiently
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<TokyoTrekker> but like any social media platform, if you don't have a target circle or group going in, you're going to end up seeing a lot of stupid shit
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<Durzan20> there is no warning i can think of that social media would be better
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<Deyvid> I use it to stay in touch with friends who live in other cities & states and some friends I met online.
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<Durzan20> and i think if they were really friends, you would pick up the phone :)
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<Durzan20> its all just fluff
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<Deyvid> that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I have seen the benefits of using social media
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<Deyvid> I have a different perspective
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<TokyoTrekker> I think it varies by age group though, just the way things are. Younger people tend to not have longer conversations like long phone calls, instead it's a chat when convenient
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<altiren> sorry I haven't been on the IRC a bunch, but I have been listening to the show. and it has been really good.
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<Deyvid> Hiya altiren
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<Durzan20> yeah ive avoided it for years now we all have our biases
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<Deyvid> It sounds like he's saying "Trek One"
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<altiren> sorry I haven't been on the IRC a bunch, but I have been listening to the show. and it has been really good.
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<Deyvid> maybe he's saying Check
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<Capt.Tsonia> to all you good folk...LLAP...maj ram
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<Deyvid> but sounds like Trek
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<Durzan20> and the russian attacks only stregthend my bias :)
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<Durzan20> and they are ongoing
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<Capt.Tsonia> thanks for the show Deyvid and the thought provoking discussion
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<Durzan20> if people werent massed togethor in groups on social media, putin wouldnt be able to manipulate them
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<altiren> dang repeat and NVDA not regestering my first message.
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<TokyoTrekker> one thing I don't agree with though is the unwritten rule for social media is the automatic follow each other rule
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<TokyoTrekker> That leads to a lot of crap I don't want to see
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<TokyoTrekker> If I look at your timeline and there's a lot of stuff I want to see or learn about, follow. Otherwise it's all just random rants or boring food pics....
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<Deyvid> yeah I dont do automatic follow back, I always check their feeds to see if I actually want to see what they post before I follow anyone
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<TokyoTrekker> I should probably start a separate Twitter account for my personal sci-fi geekiness
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<Capt.Tsonia> we shall try to spread the love...
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<TokyoTrekker> Thanks for the show Deyvid, but where's the hip hop block you said you'd get to last time? :P
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<dafydd68> 2+2 is three in a non Euclidian universe...
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<TokyoTrekker> oof, sorry to hear that
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<altiren> Yeah, that's terrible. hope she gets better.
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<Capt.Tsonia> yes sorry Deyvid...hug to you and hope she improves
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*altiren hugs deyvid.
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<TokyoTrekker> Thanks for adding some more sci-fi soundtrack music to the EMH. I'd suggest not just the show intro themes, but also the endings
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<Capt.Tsonia> hear hear...definitely needed
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<Capt.Tsonia> so much good ST music out there
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<Capt.Tsonia> lol saw that...hmmm
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<TokyoTrekker> if you split Cali, you should split Texas and add Puerto Rico to make an even 60
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<Durzan20> not gonna happen shrug
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<TokyoTrekker> yeah, not gonna happen, just like the Cascadia movement
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<Durzan20> sidenote : Putin is supporting those secessionist movements
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<dafydd68> Divide and Conquer
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<Capt.Tsonia> I was for Cali, Oregon and Wash to break away and be a new country :lP
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<Durzan20> just let me move in first
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<altiren> Maj ram Deyvid, good show.
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<Capt.Tsonia> lol...anyway g'nite all...LLAP....which might also stand for let live and prosper
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<Deyvid> I was trying to find out where my city would end up if they do split California. I think it might be North California or just California (the new version)
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<Capt.Tsonia> they should make that clear before the vote hehe
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<Deyvid> LLAP, Jolan Tru, Qapla'
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<Deyvid> oh wait, I didn't do the Klingon word of the day
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<Deyvid> I could do that quickly then call it
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<Capt.Tsonia> ok I will stick around :-)
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<Deyvid> http://hol.kag.org
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<Deyvid> Hol 'ampaS
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<Deyvid> wov'on
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<Capt.Tsonia> love it
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<Deyvid> qaw
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<Deyvid> jIQuchmoH wov'onvetlh
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<Deyvid> jIQuchchoHmoH wov'onvetlh
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<Capt.Tsonia> maj ram jupwl'
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<Deyvid> jIqaw = I remember
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<Deyvid> maj ram jupwI'
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<Deyvid> Qapla'
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<TokyoTrekker> I'm out, thanks and take care y'all JOELAWNTRUE
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<TokyoTrekker> _\\//
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<TokyoTrekker> \quit
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<Redshirt89> What's up fellow trekies
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<Redshirt89> i've been playing online for over a year now and never really talk to anyone which is no fun so i went looking for a chat
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<Redshirt89> woah! everyone slow down this chat is almost as exciting as me talking to myself in game
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<Redshirt89> ta ta taaaalkin to myself yeaahh!
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<Redshirt89> boring i'm out
