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[05:33:26] <irc> <Pierre0412> salut
[06:10:23] <irc> <raghavgururajan> Bram: The disroot's sys-admin told me that their cert is not expired. Not sure why I still get "remote-server-timeout".
[12:14:24] <irc> <Bram> raghavgururajan: idk :/ it's the joy of shitty error message of xmpp because no one never really bothered making good messages...
[14:03:26] <irc> <raghavgururajan> Bram: Hmm. You mentioned something before. Could you please repaste that?
[14:03:51] <irc> <Bram> raghavgururajan: my complains about xmpp shitty error message or what we've talked about yesterday?
[14:03:54] <irc> <raghavgururajan> Something about key strength ...
[14:04:11] <irc> <Bram> @Bram │ there might be some cipher modifications or stuff like that
[14:04:15] <irc> <Bram> @Bram │ and knowing disroot we might not be using like the latest too super secured perfect cipher while disroot might
[14:04:23] <irc> <raghavgururajan> Ah cipher
[14:04:27] <irc> <Bram> I've had situations like that before
[14:04:42] <irc> <Bram> it's generally the number one problem for connections that doesn't work while they should be
[14:04:51] <irc> <raghavgururajan> Let me ask around to see if cipher would case the error.
[14:04:51] <irc> <Bram> and most software give you aweful errors in those situations
[14:05:28] <irc> <Bram> I have the logs of the servers in front on my eyes and I see several people connecting without any problems
[14:05:34] <irc> <raghavgururajan> There is also another user in Disroot community who was trying to join your yunohost xmpp muc.
[14:06:14] <irc> <Bram> ah :/
[14:22:10] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> hi
[14:22:49] <irc> <Aleks[m]> hoy o/
[14:23:05] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> running debian 10 and ynh 4, and can't seem to create a letsencrypr cert. the error i get it this
[14:23:07] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> The DNS records for domain 'tucanos.org' is different from this server's IP. Please check the 'DNS records' (basic) category in the diagnosis for more info. If you recently modified your A record, please wait for it to propagate (some DNS propagation checkers are available online)
[14:23:46] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> the check passess for ipv4
[14:23:59] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> do i need to have ipv6 working in order to get a cert?
[14:24:14] <irc> <Aleks[m]> nope
[14:24:31] <irc> <Aleks[m]> but if you did define an IPv6 DNS record (type AAAA) it needs to be correct
[14:24:48] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> i did, and according to my hosting provider it is
[14:24:52] <irc> <Aleks[m]> because let's encrypt will try IPv6 if an AAAA record is defined ...
[14:25:17] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> does anything in ynh depend on ipv6 being enabled?
[14:26:11] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> otherwise i guess i'll remove the AAAA record
[14:26:34] <irc> <Aleks[m]> not really, the real ~mandatory thing is IPv4 (though we should work on IPv6 only), it's just that having working IPv6 is better for the current and future health of the internet
[14:27:03] <irc> <Aleks[m]> (but from experience it makes everything more complex / more issue prone so I'm not surprised you are having issues with it :| )
[14:27:56] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> okay
[14:28:09] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> i'll worry about the health of the internet after I get a cert added :)
[14:28:15] <irc> <Aleks[m]> ;P
[14:28:47] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> new question in case you can help
[14:28:56] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> i added pihole and it seems to be working
[14:29:11] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> but i have clients in the Top Clients list that are outside my network
[14:29:31] <irc> <Aleks[m]> eh interesting
[14:29:39] <irc> <Aleks[m]> is this a server @ home ?
[14:29:42] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> yep
[14:29:42] <irc> <Aleks[m]> or a VPS ?
[14:29:48] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> just at my house
[14:29:55] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> only been online for like a day or so
[14:29:57] <irc> <dosch> hey, can I access to a yunohost vps with sftp?
[14:30:09] <irc> <Aleks[m]> hmmm did you like open/forward oprt 53 or 5353 on your internet router maybe ?
[14:30:21] <irc> <Aleks[m]> yes dosch
[14:30:43] <irc> <Aleks[m]> though maybe not out of the box ... but I know mywebapp_ynh works with sftp
[14:31:00] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> no, only whitelisted what ynh says to
[14:31:08] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> derp
[14:31:12] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> no i didn't
[14:31:37] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> apparently i put the server in the DMZ
[14:31:38] <irc> <Aleks[m]> hmmm that's weird then ...
[14:31:45] <irc> <Aleks[m]> ah
[14:31:55] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> probably that explains it?
[14:32:08] <irc> <Aleks[m]> yeah that's probably related
[14:32:23] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> so many n00b mistakes, so little time
[14:32:32] <irc> <Aleks[m]> that means port 53 (or 5353, i don't remember) is exposed to the whole internet and people can use your server as a DNS resolver I guess
[14:32:58] <irc> <Aleks[m]> it ain't really noob mistakes, people should not have to have 3 PhD in computer science just to run a server
[14:33:09] <irc> <Aleks[m]> you don't need 3 PhD to use a smartphone so
[14:33:27] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> tbf i probably would have put my smartphone in the DMZ if given the opportunity
[14:33:36] <irc> <Aleks[m]> xD
[14:33:49] <irc> <dosch> thnx Aleks
[14:36:32] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> does the pihole-FTL server need to stay running?
[14:36:40] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> its showing stopped but doesn't seem to start
[14:37:07] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> or rather, its showing 'exited' in the services list
[14:37:20] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> but the toast message says it started
[14:39:18] <irc> <Aleks[m]> zblerg
[14:39:32] <irc> <Aleks[m]> probably it's running properly but not interfaced properly with yunohost's service manager
[14:39:41] <irc> <Aleks[m]> so it's probably fine
[14:40:34] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> ok
[14:40:43] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> another one!! :)
[14:40:53] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> i have bitwarden installed. but i can't seem to log in
[14:41:05] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> i vaguely recall there being another step i need to perform?
[14:41:22] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> in order to set the master password?
[14:44:40] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> wait, got that
[14:48:12] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> hah
[14:48:15] <irc> <ynhuser|15913> its all working
[16:35:30] <irc> <\__[m]> anyone has experience trouble upgrading moulinette?
[16:35:42] <irc> <\__[m]> it says:
[16:35:43] <irc> <\__[m]> > The following packages have been kept back:
[16:35:43] <irc> <\__[m]> moulinette
[16:35:56] <irc> <\__[m]> when I do `apt install moulinette`
[16:36:12] <irc> <\__[m]> sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/RviGlLBviLmQPtCKxrTRosmu/message.txt >
[16:36:26] <irc> <\__[m]> that's clearly not what I want :D
[17:02:53] <irc> <jeroen[m]> <\__[m] "anyone has experience trouble up"> Upgraded fine this morning
[17:05:55] <irc> <Aleks[m]> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯: can you run a `apt policy moulinette` and `apt policy yunohost`
[17:07:10] <irc> <Aleks[m]> (also why not upgrade using yunohost's upgrade mechanism :|)
[17:07:13] <irc> <Aleks[m]> actually
[17:07:19] <irc> <Aleks[m]> why are you doing an "apt install moulinette"
[18:32:41] <irc> <\__[m]> because the yunohost upgrade mechanism fails :)
[18:33:12] <irc> <\__[m]> I wanted to see why the upgrade failed
[18:33:37] <irc> <\__[m]> sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/eELOXvoafJntmLBxnCtjBRjc/message.txt >
[18:34:04] <irc> <\__[m]> sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ZMcUCOoICjvFGNzVqnfcZgFu/message.txt >
[18:34:18] <irc> <\__[m]> * ```
[18:34:19] <irc> <\__[m]> ```
[18:34:33] <irc> <\__[m]> sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/eqRHWWbkChwkxywyPLBFFaZu/message.txt >
[18:35:24] <irc> <\__[m]> <Aleks[m] "(also why not upgrade using yuno"> u mean `yunohost tools upgrade --system`, right?
[18:35:37] <irc> <Aleks[m]> yes
[18:35:56] <irc> <\__[m]> sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/iAoXkNoWJkVsvdCTixmgHwpw/message.txt >
[18:35:58] <irc> <Aleks[m]> you are using the unstable repository for yunohost
[18:36:00] <irc> <Aleks[m]> ~_~
[18:36:13] <irc> <\__[m]> oops
[18:36:20] <irc> <\__[m]> thx
[18:36:28] <irc> <\__[m]> can I just change it ?
[18:36:53] <irc> <Aleks[m]> yes you can remove it from the sources.list
[18:38:00] <irc> <\__[m]> that's better :)
[18:38:02] <irc> <Aleks[m]> gonna end up implementing a "warranty void" mechanism that's able to detect if you manually messed up your system >.>
[18:38:05] <irc> <\__[m]> living on the edge ;)
[18:38:27] <irc> <\__[m]> like a banner in ascii that says, you suck? ;)
[18:38:45] <irc> <\__[m]> I installed unstable back when buster wasn't stable yet
[18:38:52] <irc> <\__[m]> before I knew of an upgrade path
[18:39:05] <irc> <\__[m]> to prevent having to upgrade later
[18:39:13] <irc> <Aleks[m]> yeah and at that time there were probably a dozen of warning saying "THIS IS NOT SUITABLE FOR PRODUCTION AND WILL BREAK"
[18:39:27] <irc> <\__[m]> I know :)
[18:39:29] <irc> <Aleks[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Q8hAb230OE
[18:40:35] <irc> <\__[m]> crisis averted
[18:41:08] <irc> <\__[m]> why does it install from unstable preferably?
[18:41:53] <irc> <Aleks[m]> because the packages are built lie every 15 minutes if there's a new commit
[18:42:09] <irc> <Aleks[m]> so there's a high chance that the unstable package is more recent than any stable/testing package
[18:49:55] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> hi all, running debian 10 / YNH 4, trying to add Funkwhale I got some error messages. it failed, and then evidently couldn't remove what had been installed. here's the log: https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/uhetuzerop
[18:51:00] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> 2020-09-08 14:47:01,567: WARNING - funkwhale has not been properly removed
[18:52:33] <irc> <Aleks[m]> ynhuser|64581: this is the log of the failed automatic-removal-after-failed-install ... could you share the log of the failed install instead ?
[18:53:51] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> is this it? https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/uvemokiluy
[19:00:08] <irc> <Aleks[m]> yes
[19:00:16] <irc> <Aleks[m]> somebody reported a similar issue like yesterday or before ... dunno if you're the same person
[19:00:22] <irc> <Aleks[m]> but sounds like it's an issue upstream
[19:01:53] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> nope, not me
[19:02:08] <irc> <Aleks[m]> or maybe that's some mystic issue that only happens if you install it from the webadmin ...?
[19:02:20] <irc> <Aleks[m]> if you want you can try to install it from the command line with "sudo yunohost app install funkwhale" :S
[19:02:28] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> will try
[19:02:35] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> just tried onlyoffice as well, failed also
[19:02:40] <irc> <Aleks[m]> eh
[19:02:45] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/adugihucep
[19:03:38] <irc> <Aleks[m]> meh, the command that failed (apt-key) works on my side :|
[19:04:42] <irc> <Aleks[m]> Would be curious to see if you reproduce the issue in command line also by running "apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys CB2DE8E5" :/
[19:09:49] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> here's what I got:
[19:09:51] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> apt-key adv --keyserver hkp://keyserver.ubuntu.com:80 --recv-keys CB2DE8E5"
[19:10:38] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> well, can't copy/paste for some reason
[19:10:45] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> but it processed and imported 1 key
[19:14:56] <irc> <Aleks[m]> hmokay
[19:15:16] <irc> <Aleks[m]> so maybe that fixes the onlyoffice intallation but not clear why it didnt work the first time x_x
[19:16:40] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> will try it again
[19:17:05] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> meanwhile, here's the error log from my attempt to install Funkwhale from the prompt - https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/adadaninec
[19:18:16] <irc> <Aleks[m]> ugh sounds some like some remains of the failed-remove-after-failed-install ... you can run "rm -rf /var/www/funkwhale" and retry :/
[19:18:39] <irc> <Aleks[m]> (this is pretty rare that the removal fails ... usually you don't have to do all that x_x)
[19:20:54] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> removed it
[19:21:06] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> here's the error log from this latest install attempt - https://paste.yunohost.org/raw/epoyoxaqiz
[19:21:45] <irc> <Aleks[m]> zblerg, still same error about `ModuleNotFoundError: No module named 'vine.five'` .. so nothing to do with running in the webadmin vs. the command line ...
[19:22:16] <irc> <Gofannon> Hello Aleks[m], I might have missed some of your text yesterday
[19:22:34] <irc> <Aleks[m]> ah ? i absolutely forgot what we were discussing :D
[19:22:35] <irc> <Gofannon> About the restire of a backup instead of a postinstall
[19:23:05] <irc> <Gofannon> There was a lack of memory while dooing the restore
[19:23:33] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> @aleks is it perhaps because the database didn't get removed after the initial failure and rm -rf you had me run?
[19:23:34] <irc> <Aleks[m]> ynhuser|64581: do you happen to be on a raspberry pi or arm board ?
[19:23:53] <irc> <ynhuser|64581> i saw a warning go by suggesting the funkwhale database already existed...
[19:24:29] <irc> <Aleks[m]> Gofannon: ah yes, uh i was asking if your "free -h" was right after the failure and you were saying yes, and then i have no clue :|
[19:25:27] <irc> <Gofannon> How can I share logs here without putting too much text?
[19:25:33] <irc> <Gofannon> yunopaste?
[19:26:18] <irc> <Gofannon> 'yunohost backup restore 20200906-095542 --force' does not restore the apps
[19:26:37] <irc> <Gofannon> Is it normal?
[19:27:14] <irc> <Aleks[m]> yes, yunopaste
[19:27:25] <irc> <Aleks[m]> idk, are there indeed apps inside that backup ?
[19:29:22] <irc> <Gofannon> Yunopaste then. Logs will be better to 'show the issue'
[19:36:47] <irc> <Aleks[m]> Gofannon: "Warning: The following apps can't be restored because they are already installed:"
[19:37:03] <irc> <Aleks[m]> you need to remove/uninstall the apps before restoring an app from a backup
[19:37:43] <irc> <Aleks[m]> (which is, yes, scary)
[19:41:39] <irc> <Gofannon> ok thanks. what is the use for '--force- then ??
[19:41:59] <irc> <Aleks[m]> eh that's only for the system part :s
[19:42:16] <irc> <maknho> Bonjour,
[19:42:21] <irc> <Gofannon> I thought that it will overwrite the apps too
[19:42:23] <irc> <Aleks[m]> but indeed we should probably have --force also work for apps (or another similar option)
[19:42:35] <irc> <Gofannon> Oh. Too lazy got me caught then
[19:42:55] <irc> <Gofannon> There is this in the system part: 'Error: Could not restore the 'data_home' system part '
[19:43:17] <irc> <Gofannon> Bonjour maknho
[19:43:27] <irc> <Gofannon> thanks Aleks[m]
[19:46:51] <irc> <maknho> Rebonjour,
[19:47:17] <irc> <maknho> Je n'arrive pas à configurer mon mail yunohost sur thunderbird
[19:47:49] <irc> <maknho> Il m'est toujours demandé un mot de passe lors de l'envoi des mails
[19:48:30] <irc> <maknho> Et visiblement ce n'est pas celui demandé lors de la config du compte avec thunderbird
[19:48:56] <irc> <maknho> Et ni celui en lien avec mon nom d'utilisateur yunohost
[19:49:33] <irc> <maknho> J'avais pris garde, n'en sachant rien, de faire coïncider les deux
[19:49:49] <irc> <maknho> Un subtilité quelconque ?
[19:50:14] <irc> <maknho> Ou alors je retente demain à tête reposée 😊
[19:50:18] <irc> <maknho> Merci beaucoup
[19:51:39] <irc> <maknho> Re bonjour
[19:52:51] <irc> <maknho> Je n'arrive pas à configurer mon mail yunohost sur thunderbird
[19:52:51] <irc> <maknho> maknho
[19:52:52] <irc> <maknho> Il m'est toujours demandé un mot de passe lors de l'envoi des mails
[19:52:52] <irc> <maknho> maknho
[19:52:53] <irc> <maknho> Et visiblement ce n'est pas celui demandé lors de la config du compte avec thunderbird
[19:52:53] <irc> <maknho> maknho
[19:52:53] <irc> <maknho> Et ni celui en lien avec mon nom d'utilisateur yunohost
[19:52:53] <irc> <maknho> maknho
[19:52:54] <irc> <maknho> J'avais pris garde, n'en sachant rien, de faire coïncider les deux
[19:52:54] <irc> <maknho> maknho
[19:52:55] <irc> <maknho> Un subtilité quelconque ?
[19:52:55] <irc> <maknho> maknho
[19:54:27] <irc> <Aleks[m]> pas compris pourquoi ton mot de passe "demandé lors de la config du compte avec thunderbird" serait différent de "celui en lien avec mon nom d'utilisateur yunohost" ... normalement tu configures ton compte thunderbird avec le mot de passe de ton utilisateur et ton utilisateur n'a qu'un seul mot de passe ...
[20:04:46] <anubis> sauf si tu utilises un autre serveur SMTP ?