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[16:02:37] <irc> <gredin67[m]> You mean everything un nextcloud?
[16:08:26] <irc> <shuxx> Hello :)
[16:10:17] <irc> <shuxx> Quelqu'un aurai déjà fait une config yunohost avec cloudflare? pour les mail & un webmail ? :)
[16:11:38] <irc> <shuxx> ah j'ai cette erreur aussi :/ :Impossible de superviser le système : Le suivi de l’état du serveur n’est pas activé
[16:41:40] <pinkprius> Hey
[16:42:27] <pinkprius> Is there a way to regenerate metronome configuration?
[16:48:07] <pinkprius> WARNING - The configuration file '/etc/metronome/metronome.cfg.lua' has been manually modified and will not be updated
[16:48:18] <pinkprius> Is that a problem?
[17:40:19] <irc> <Melon_Bread> I think I am at the point where I need some help. My install was going fine untill I ran a rebooted. Now nothing is working (nothing will let me log in), so i sshed as admin and that would not work. I found this very odd so I tried as root and it worked. then checking services I noticed slapd is failing I then learn quickly that is my LDAP setup. I am not sure where to find out where the failure is at and this stuff may
[17:40:21] <irc> <Melon_Bread> be over my head
[17:41:26] <irc> <Melon_Bread> output of "systemctl status slapd": https://hastebin.com/uxewofanax.txt
[17:54:19] <irc> <autra[m]> Melon_Bread and what does `journalctl -xef - u slapd` gives you when you restart slapd?
[17:57:14] <irc> <Melon_Bread> one sec
[17:59:02] <irc> <Melon_Bread> so i just restarted
[17:59:18] <irc> <Melon_Bread> ran "journalctl -xef -u slpad"
[18:00:00] <irc> <Melon_Bread> and this is all I get https://hastebin.com/inuwukocul.txt
[18:00:14] <irc> <Melon_Bread> like nothing below that logs begin line
[18:01:08] <irc> <Melon_Bread> so I just restarted the slapd service*
[18:06:55] <irc> <autra[m]> Mmhv actually I'm not sure it logs in journalctl as it is a legacy ini.d service
[18:08:23] <irc> <Melon_Bread> Yeah when i started reading about it being a legacy init service I just stopped poking because I did not wanna dig myself too deep
[18:30:07] <irc> <autra[m]> Melon_Bread you should use sudo for journalctl
[18:30:41] <irc> <Melon_Bread> I am logged as root
[18:30:53] <irc> <Melon_Bread> the only user that will let me login
[18:31:27] <irc> <Melon_Bread> same results https://i.imgur.com/AGJIh9z.png
[18:31:31] <irc> <autra[m]> Oh yeah sorry
[18:31:36] <irc> <Melon_Bread> no worriesd
[18:31:39] <irc> <Melon_Bread> worries*
[18:32:13] <irc> <autra[m]> So you installed, and did you run postinstall?
[18:32:58] <irc> <Melon_Bread> This is a installation i have had going for around a year or so
[18:34:12] <irc> <Melon_Bread> that just kinda crapped the bed after I rebooted it last night
[18:34:24] <irc> <Melon_Bread> I wonder if a update did not go so well
[18:36:05] <irc> <autra[m]> then you might want to check /var/log/apt/history.log ?
[18:36:27] <irc> <autra[m]> I'd also check the obvious, like free disk space and stuff like that.
[18:37:17] <irc> <autra[m]> oh Melon_Bread there's a typo in your journalctl command
[18:37:25] <irc> <autra[m]> slpad -> slapd
[18:37:31] <irc> <autra[m]> maybe you'll have more info ;-)
[18:38:01] <irc> <Melon_Bread> LOL
[18:38:01] <irc> <Melon_Bread> thank you
[18:39:11] <irc> <autra[m]> need to go, back later or tomorrow
[18:39:30] <irc> <Melon_Bread> okay
[18:39:31] <irc> <Melon_Bread> ty
[18:39:45] <irc> <Melon_Bread> yeah though it seems not much more info https://hastebin.com/dilesomose.txt
[18:41:03] <irc> <Melon_Bread> disk space is fine: https://hastebin.com/majiruveru.txt
[18:42:19] <irc> <Melon_Bread> and apt history log: https://hastebin.com/vojuvilavi.txt
[18:49:46] <irc> <Alaiks> Melon_Bread: still there ?
[18:50:52] <irc> <Alaiks> Melon_Bread: main: TLS init def ctx failed: -1 seems to indicate a cert issue, probably related to some permission issue
[18:51:11] <irc> <Alaiks> can you try to "yunohost tools regen-conf slapd" and see if it indicates it would have changed something in the conf
[18:51:28] <irc> <Melon_Bread> oh yes thank you
[18:51:30] <irc> <Melon_Bread> will try now
[18:52:30] <irc> <Melon_Bread> hey it is working
[18:52:36] <irc> <Melon_Bread> well the service is
[18:52:55] <irc> <Melon_Bread> and everything else
[18:52:57] <irc> <Melon_Bread> thank you
[18:53:18] <irc> <Alaiks> nice, dunno why it didnt go regen'ed properly automatically but okay
[18:53:55] <irc> <Melon_Bread> me either
[18:54:21] <irc> <Melon_Bread> I do not know why it never dawned on me to go and look for a way to regen configs
[19:32:15] <irc> <Multipass> Bonjour à tous :)
[19:33:43] <irc> <Multipass> Savez-vous si il existe un package octopi ou similaire pour Yuno ? J'aimerais pouvoir contrôler mon imprimante 3D a distance, et tant qu'à faire autant que cela passe par la machine où est installé Yuno. Toutefois je ne trouve pas une telle application disponible sur Yuno.
[19:48:22] <pinkprius> hey can anyone help me with xmpp issues?
[19:53:41] <irc> <Zykino> Bonsoir, toujours sur ma connexion wiki.js avec LDAP. Je viens de me rendre compte que la connexion ne fonctionne pas si un utilisateur a plusieurs e-mail associés (mais un seul fonctionne). Apparemment on utilise le champ "mail" de LDAP.
[19:53:49] <irc> <Alaiks> don't ask to ask, just ask™
[19:54:01] <irc> <Zykino> Est-ce que ce champ contiens tous les e-mails d’un compte ?
[19:54:23] <irc> <Zykino> Est-ce qu’il y a un autre champ LDAP contenant un seul e-mail ?
[19:55:06] <irc> <Alaiks> Zykino: du coup tu veux dire que le champ utilisé pour le login c'est l'adresse mail et pas l'username...?
[19:55:23] <pinkprius> so I have a muc on my ynh and a person can't upload images with conversations or dino, with an account from jabber.ccc.de and from another account. Any ideas?
[19:56:11] <irc> <Alaiks> yes, it's the http-upload mechanism, it's not available in 3.7, but it will be in 3.8
[19:56:52] <pinkprius> oh so is it broken? Did it work before?
[19:57:03] <irc> <Alaiks> no it didnt work before
[19:57:14] <irc> <Alaiks> not broken, just not implemented/configured
[19:57:21] <pinkprius> when updating I saw some "metronome config has been changed manually and wasn't updated" error or something like that
[19:57:24] <pinkprius> thanks Alaiks
[19:58:38] <irc> <Zykino> Wiki.js a un champ "Email Field Mapping" qui par défaut est configuré a "mail". Et oui, c’est pendant le login. Un utilisateur avec un seul e-mail peut se connecter avec son username (mais apparemment pas l’e-mail, j’ai pas essayé, c’est documenté comme ça dans le paquet).
[19:58:50] <irc> <Zykino> L’erreur est la suivante : Missing or invalid email address from profile.
[20:00:11] <irc> <Zykino> Mais je ne connais pas LDAP et ne sais pas si je peux lui donner un autre champ, ou si je dois ouvrir un ticket sur le projet de base pour qu’ils gèrent le cas ou y a plusieurs e-mails.
[20:02:55] <pinkprius> but with accounts on the same server uploading images to the muc work
[20:05:20] <pinkprius> Alaiks
[20:09:59] <irc> <lhp22> Coucou par ici ! Je suis en train de me poser la question du passage d'un serveur en Raspberry Pi à un plus gros truc, et je me demandais si il y avait ici des personnes pour me conseiller (je flippe un peu vu le nombre de possibilités qui s'offre à moi). Concrètement, jusqu'ici, j'ai une Raspi derrière ma Box Orange. Comme Orange bloque le
[20:10:00] <irc> <lhp22> port 25, si je veux faire du mail, j'ai besoin d'au moins une machine ailleurs pour faire le relais. Donc j'ai le choix entre : serveur chez moi + petite vps pour faire passer tout ça crème, ou grosse vps. vps, ça veut bien dire une machine virtuelle où on est libre de faire ce qu'on veut (i mean - légalement, of course) ? Est-ce que vous
[20:10:04] <irc> <lhp22> auriez un a priori sur l'un des deux choix ? :s
[20:10:52] <irc> <lhp22> (je veux passer à plus gros parce que j'aimerais bien pouvoir monter des infrastructures pérennes à des assocs dans lesquels je suis libérées des Slacks ou autre machinerie privée)
[20:30:54] <irc> <yalh76[m]> > Mais je ne connais pas LDAP et ne sais pas si je peux lui donner un autre champ, ou si je dois ouvrir un ticket sur le projet de base pour qu’ils gèrent le cas ou y a plusieurs e-mails.
[20:30:54] <irc> <yalh76[m]> c'ets le seul champ ou il y a les adresses mails.
[20:56:24] <irc> <Zykino> Ok, merci yalh76[m] je vais ouvrir un ticket chez eux pour voir si ils peuvent gérer ça.
[20:56:24] <irc> <Zykino> Est-ce que la façon de gérer les multiples e-mail sont fait de manière standard ou yunohost "bidouille" en séparant les e-mails par un caractère spécifique ? Ou en les mettant entre guillemets ? (J’essaie de prévoir les questions qu’ils pourront poser)
[21:51:31] <irc> <Alaiks> Zykino: non c'est standard a mon avis
[21:52:57] <irc> <Alaiks> Zykino: 1) oui y'a plusieurs champs "mail:" pour un user, c'est normal
[21:53:12] <irc> <Alaiks> 2) du coup les "mail:" sont pas des trucs uniques, y'a pas de bijection entre une adresse mail et un user
[21:53:26] <irc> <Alaiks> 3) imho il faudrait utiliser le uid
[21:53:37] <irc> <Alaiks> 4) ou bien : le maildrop
[21:53:38] <irc> <yalh76[m]> aprés il n'y a pas de notionde premary email adress comme ce qui existe dans l'activedirectory (TM)
[21:53:57] <irc> <Alaiks> yalh76[m]: a mon avis le premary email address corresponds au maildrop mais pas sur...
[21:54:02] <irc> <yalh76[m]> primary*
[21:54:32] <irc> <Alaiks> idealement tout serait beaucoup plus simple si on disait que la primary adresse est forcément username@domain.tld ... ce qui est pas le cas actuellement, mais va ptete changer la PR de Loki
[21:54:50] <irc> <Alaiks> mais bon dans 99% des cas c'est deja le cas...
[21:59:12] <irc> <Zykino> D’accord, je vais essayer de faire et suivre l’issue avec ces infos (je l’ouvre demain). Merci !
[22:09:47] <irc> <nodefaultplz> I set an app as default (the main domain forwards to the app's subfolder) how do i unset that?
[22:17:39] <irc> <Alaiks> unfortunately you gotta remove it in /etc/ssowat/conf.json.persistent
[22:19:55] <irc> <Alaiks> :|
[23:14:01] <irc> <foobar|74845> Hello there, i am trying to install a new system to manage my project, but i faced an issue on Debian 9 that my installation file requires kernel 3.12 and currently the kernel is 2.6.32, uppon cheking with the command uname -r
[23:14:54] <irc> <foobar|74845> My hosting provider of my VPS cannot install the Kernel as it said and i quote "Unfortunately, we can not proceed with the kernel update as it would impact the other users on the node. We can recommend the upgrade to a hybrid server."
[23:15:43] <irc> <foobar|74845> Anyone has any idea on how i can install yunohost without this kernel version since i am not able to access it?
[23:16:15] <irc> <Alaiks> if you mean that you tried to run yunohost's install script and got an error about this, this check is here for a reason unfortunately
[23:16:53] <irc> <Alaiks> you hack the script to remove the check if you want, but ultimately things are going to explode one way or another if you do... :/
[23:17:07] <irc> <Alaiks> kernel 2.6 is just way too old
[23:17:47] <irc> <foobar|74845> Yes i did try to install but unfortunately i only found out about this after i reinstall my vps to Debian 9 since i was using Centos before and running a different system for webhosting
[23:18:02] <irc> <Alaiks> dunno if you have any particular attachment to your current provider but there are plenty of decent providers where you can get like a nice VPS with 2core, 2GB RAM, 20GB SSD for just 3ish euro/month
[23:18:46] <irc> <foobar|74845> Well i got a nice deal with a vps for 4GB 150GB disk
[23:20:27] <irc> <foobar|74845> Disk Space 150 GB
[23:20:30] <irc> <foobar|74845> Memory 4 GB
[23:20:39] <irc> <foobar|74845> VSwap 4 GB
[23:20:39] <irc> <foobar|74845> This is really cheap around 88USD per year
[23:22:11] <irc> <Alaiks> 7$/month ... hm
[23:22:34] <irc> <Alaiks> i guess it's okay but if you have a 2.6 kernel it just sucks
[23:22:38] <irc> <Alaiks> is it an OpenVZ thing ?
[23:24:04] <irc> <foobar|74845> Yes it is
[23:24:14] <irc> <foobar|74845> Virtualization Type (OpenVZ)
[23:24:52] <irc> <foobar|74845> yea the kernel version really screwed me over
[23:25:11] <irc> <foobar|74845> I had no idea, just found out while i was installing this system on my server
[23:25:52] <irc> <Alaiks> well i've heard about it for something like 3 year and already 3 years ago it was already known as "that VPS provider thing that is nice but they are on kernel 2.6 and meh"
[23:26:08] <irc> <Alaiks> it just looks like they'll never upgrade to a newer kernel which sounds really worrysome
[23:26:40] <irc> <foobar|74845> you are absolutely right my friend i am pissed off af
[23:26:48] <irc> <Alaiks> I mean on a Scaleway we're on kernel 4.9
[23:26:56] <irc> <foobar|74845> exactly
[23:27:23] <irc> <Alaiks> and even then you'll find some people telling you about the cool features in 5.x and 4.x is already kinda old apparently (but idk what I'm talking about, didn't dig much about kernel version stuff)
[23:27:47] <irc> <foobar|74845> me either i am a total noob in kernel
[23:28:02] <irc> <Alaiks> in fact i'm surprised you can still run ~recent debians on 2.6 lol
[23:28:44] <irc> <foobar|74845> I was using centos 7 minimal with Sentora Control Panel and i had decided a few days ago to change to this system as i checked they had the debian 9 available to install as an OS but uppon checking the kernel version i faced this issue
[23:29:31] <irc> <foobar|74845> Now i dunno what to do honestly i want to use YunoHost but i bumped into a door
[23:32:12] <irc> <Alaiks> I don't know much about all the implications but ultimately I would think it's gonna limit you about other things ... I think there's probably incompatibilities between recent systemd versions and kernel 2.6 and this will just become worse and worse ... or idk maybe somehow you can run dockers and stuff idk ...
[23:32:28] <irc> <Gilou> I would run very fast and far from such a host
[23:32:49] <irc> <Gilou> and I would also give their name.
[23:32:56] <irc> <Alaiks> it's OpenVZ
[23:33:13] <irc> <foobar|74845> I am currently using ServerMania as a hosting provider
[23:34:06] <irc> <foobar|74845> Thing is i just paid this renewal
[23:34:21] <irc> <Alaiks> i mean maybe running only 2.6 if what you want to host is something old that doesn't care about being 5-10 years late lol ... but ultimately anything new-ish will require you to have a decently recent kernel
[23:34:26] <irc> <Gilou> doesn't matter what kind of technology it is, this is severely outdated, and gives you a clear outlook how they handle their security overall
[23:34:27] <irc> <foobar|74845> been with these guys for 4 years or something...
[23:35:12] <irc> <Gilou> unless they are backporting fixes, but I think no actual support exist in mainstream distribs for a kernel 10 years old..
[23:35:16] <irc> <Alaiks> (+ the security concerns yea ... though I would hopefully guess there are still security updates because probably many companies have stupidly old setups that need patches)
[23:36:01] <irc> <foobar|74845> I just want to host php websites with mysql and a script such as rainloop on this nothing special 4 or 5 domain names
[23:36:14] <irc> <Alaiks> foobar|74845: is there absolutely no possibilities for refund considering their shit is old as hell and there's no way to upgrade lol?
[23:36:23] <irc> <Gilou> the only I know that probably do it is RedHat, and for that price, let me tell you, they don't have a extended life phase support
[23:36:48] <irc> <foobar|74845> @Alaiks hehehe i wish but no
[23:36:53] <irc> <Gilou> debian won't do lts even less elts on a vz kernel
[23:36:56] <irc> <Alaiks> ugh
[23:37:22] <irc> <foobar|74845> @Gilou i agree my friend cest une merde!
[23:38:06] <irc> <Gilou> ask for a refund and move out lol
[23:38:13] <irc> <foobar|74845> Its a shit! Now i am kinda screwed perhaps get back to basics and dont use any control panel at all, dunno
[23:38:14] <irc> <Gilou> f*ck them seriously
[23:38:29] <irc> <foobar|74845> yea i am not going to renew with them anymore tho
[23:38:39] <irc> <Gilou> or make them face their responsability, but for that price..
[23:38:50] <irc> <foobar|74845> yea i know 88 usd is nothing
[23:38:52] <irc> <Gilou> it's even surprising you get someone to talk to
[23:39:06] <irc> <Gilou> it's not nothing, but you can find others for that price rather easily
[23:39:18] <irc> <foobar|74845> they do provide support and its fast like i submitted a ticket and took them 3 min to reply
[23:39:27] <irc> <Gilou> depends where you want it I guess
[23:39:36] <irc> <Gilou> well, tell them: upgrade your shit
[23:39:55] <irc> <foobar|74845> all i want is a service that works, and i do like a lot YunoHost
[23:40:01] <irc> <Gilou> but I can see probably what happened... all-in using containers using VZ, as it allowed them to have a crazy density
[23:40:13] <irc> <Gilou> but vz kinda died on them
[23:40:29] <irc> <foobar|74845> Well i have Google cloud tho...
[23:40:31] <irc> <Gilou> and they are pushing the money-making machine hard :P
[23:40:44] <irc> <foobar|74845> But i am worried on working with google cloud since they dont allow port 25
[23:40:58] <irc> <Gilou> in FR we have OVH and scaleway or even Ikoula for the main "well known" hosts
[23:41:18] <irc> <Gilou> and I'm sure they all have a 5€/month option for a cheap VPS
[23:41:19] <irc> <foobar|74845> yes absolutely agree Gilou
[23:41:30] <irc> <Gilou> even a physical server probably for that price (which is crazy)
[23:41:38] <irc> <foobar|74845> it is
[23:42:25] <irc> <Gilou> ovh gives you 30€ with CLOUD voucher on public cloud
[23:42:29] <irc> <foobar|74845> I have 300 days of free webhosting within Google Cloud Platform, but as I said before, the port 25 they close
[23:43:02] <irc> <Gilou> cheapest is 2.99 ex-VAT a month
[23:43:13] <irc> <foobar|74845> So in order for me to use YunoHost with Rainloop i dunno until what point i am able to use the emails
[23:43:16] <irc> <Gilou> 42€ a year, you get 30€ free...
[23:43:30] <irc> <foobar|74845> that sounds a pretty good deal
[23:43:37] <irc> <Gilou> only 10 GB disk though
[23:43:44] <irc> <foobar|74845> ouch
[23:44:00] <irc> <foobar|74845> i need something with at least 20GB
[23:44:17] <irc> <Gilou> 20 GB for 100€ a year
[23:44:28] <irc> <Gilou> but you also can add disk storage for cheap
[23:44:45] <irc> <foobar|74845> I understand
[23:44:46] <irc> <Gilou> slow disks are 0.04€/GB/month
[23:45:06] <irc> <foobar|74845> yes thats really cheap, do you have a link for me to check that out?
[23:45:24] <irc> <Gilou> so say 24€ a year gives you an additional disk of 50 GB :P
[23:45:26] <irc> <Gilou> do you read french?
[23:45:51] <irc> <Gilou> https://www.ovhcloud.com/en-ie/public-cloud/prices/ in english anyway
[23:46:51] <irc> <Gilou> if you're in the US https://us.ovhcloud.com/products/vps for US hosted stuff
[23:47:30] <irc> <Gilou> https://us.ovhcloud.com/public-cloud/prices/ for the same offers
[23:47:46] <irc> <Gilou> CLOUD voucher is for EU though, I'm almost sure
[23:49:02] <irc> <Gilou> voucher is a one time 30€ credit, and it's applicable until 31st, may
[23:50:11] <irc> <Gilou> and if you're in asia, I don't think they do public cloud yet there
[23:50:18] <irc> <Gilou> Australia maybe
[23:50:31] <irc> <Gilou> ah Singapour works as well
[23:50:43] <irc> <Gilou> on the EU public cloud offers that is
[23:50:45] <irc> <foobar|74845> I am Portuguese living in the Philippines
[23:51:09] <irc> <Gilou> yeah I figured hehe, hence my notice ;)
[23:51:17] <irc> <foobar|74845> XD
[23:52:18] <irc> <foobar|74845> this one looks pretty nice tho
[23:52:19] <irc> <foobar|74845> https://us.ovhcloud.com/products/vps
[23:52:25] <irc> <Gilou> so yeah cheapest would be that probably, sandbox instance, with additional disk, careful how to handle that for yunohost
[23:52:51] <irc> <Gilou> depends what latency you can afford I guess ;)
[23:53:13] <irc> <foobar|74845> Its just simple websites tho, nothing special
[23:53:42] <irc> <Gilou> careful about "vps" out of the public cloud offer space, it's the same techno stack, but sometimes doesn't have all the bells and whistles like the public cloud
[23:54:04] <irc> <Gilou> well go for EU branch if you can, US is a strange market from OVH ;)
[23:54:32] <irc> <Gilou> also I don't think OVH is your only option hehe, but I know they are sound
[23:54:55] <irc> <foobar|74845> what service do you use?
[23:55:23] <irc> <foobar|64538> i need help
[23:55:24] <irc> <Gilou> OVH mostly, a bit of AWS as well, and I have clients on GCP which you mentionned
[23:55:47] <irc> <Gilou> also I do help non-profits that do that as well
[23:56:01] <irc> <foobar|74845> Got it Gilou
[23:56:09] <irc> <foobar|74845> I know what you mean
[23:56:36] <irc> <Gilou> some here probably know FAIMaison, which does VPS hosting for members ;)
[23:56:56] <irc> <Gilou> foobar|64538, ask away, don't ask to ask ;)
[23:56:59] <irc> <foobar|64538> i installed on raspi2 first and set up a .nohost.me domain then I restarted with a fresh image and the Raspi3 and need to use the same .nohost.me domain
[23:57:37] <irc> <foobar|74845> choose option: "I already have a domain and type the old one in"
[23:58:11] <irc> <foobar|64538> ok
[23:59:07] <irc> <Alaiks> foobar|64538: you need somebody that has access to the yunohost infrastructure to reset your domain
[23:59:14] <irc> <Alaiks> (i do have access ;P)
[23:59:39] <irc> <Alaiks> (c.f. this topic ... https://forum.yunohost.org/t/nohost-domain-recovery-suppression-de-domaine-en-nohost-me-noho-st-et-ynh-fr/442 ... but you can also tell me in private and i'll do it)