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<muckle> Xmpp leaks more metadata than irc
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<HONK> It's like this, m8. Real simple.
Matrix: buggy and slow
XMPP: just works
>but my friends...
shshshshh
_you'll find new friends_
_you don't need_ *them*
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<RGB keyboard> > Xmpp leaks more metadata than irc
I mean it is more complex so it is kinda expected
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<RGB keyboard> Since federation needs metadata so servers know what to send to where
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<forza4galicia> > Xmpp leaks more metadata than irc
But less or no personal data.
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<forza4galicia> > Xmpp leaks more metadata than irc
Really, less por no data that lets identify or track you
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<Echo Archon> New post in Matrix.org: Welcoming Discord users amidst the challenge of Age Verification (https://matrix.org/blog/2026/02/welcome-discord/)
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<boob> i am boob
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<boob> you stand no chance
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<Aberyst> The looming threat of one singular boob.
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<Aberyst> Hello everyone ^^ Decided to try out Matrix after being a XMPP hermit for decades
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<boob> i'm on xmpp, does this chat double as a matrix room?
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<Aberyst> I believe it's bridged with Bifrost; I haven't tried though.
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<boob> oh, it sounded like you were chatting here from matrix
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<Aberyst> Oh wait, my mistake -- must have misread that. I am on Matrix, actually!
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<Aberyst> So that does answer your question x)
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<boob> :o
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<boob> i'm pretty new to decentralized chat, but i've been on the fediverse for a few years. is aria just a general purpose network for xmpp and matrix stuff?
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<boob> i've accidentally found myself in some weird ass chats already
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<davidv> that was my first assumption
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<davidv> > i've accidentally found myself in some weird ass chats already
oh dear, which?
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<boob> idk i don't wanna be specific, but there's some weird places on disroot
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<davidv> no do share
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<davidv> gotta avoid them for myself yk
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<boob> i had no idea what disroot was, but i guess it's a similar network, but gears itself towards activists, esp in opressive countries. the whole disroot network is very activistey, but in particular the anime chatroom was really weird
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<Aberyst> > <boob> i'm pretty new to decentralized chat, but i've been on the fediverse for a few years. is aria just a general purpose network for xmpp and matrix stuff?
Aria does have a couple other bridges to other chat platforms, I believe
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<davidv> > i had no idea what disroot was, but i guess it's a similar network, but gears itself towards activists, esp in opressive countries. the whole disroot network is very activistey, but in particular the anime chatroom was really weird
ill keep that in mind
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<Aberyst> > <boob> i had no idea what disroot was, but i guess it's a similar network, but gears itself towards activists, esp in opressive countries. the whole disroot network is very activistey, but in particular the anime chatroom was really weird
Decentralised chats do tend to veer that way. Full freedom and all that.
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<boob> yeah, i've been on mastodon for a while, i'm familiar lol
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<davidv> is mastodon more of an old twitter or elon's X?
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<Aberyst> Can't have decentralised/federated without those yeah x)
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<davidv> like the kind of people and posts
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<Aberyst> I think it's kind of neither. It just depends on your instance
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<davidv> icic
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<boob> yeah, i'd say it's neither, it really depends on what server you sign up for
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<Aberyst> Yeah, it's unlike Bsky which actively goes somewhere
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<davidv> that's interesting because so many alternative social medias usually go far one way
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<davidv> blusky is the only exception i know of
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<boob> that's the beauty of decentralization
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<boob> each instance has it's own federated network
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<davidv> :D
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<Aberyst> The decentralisation does help blur that
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<Aberyst> Even with something like Matrix, you can swing far to one end of the spectrum depending on the homeserver you're in
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<davidv> seems like not much people use xmpp or matrix though
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<davidv> maybe im just in inactive parts
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<Aberyst> You aren't wrong. They're definitely niche
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<Aberyst> XMPP has been around for decades though.
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<Aberyst> Back then it was called Jabber
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<davidv> oh thats why so many domains have jabber in it
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<davidv> ya irc has been around for a long time as well and even the most popular chatrooms will be empty for months
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<boob> yeah, i kinda hate it
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<boob> it's like social media happened and everyone, including the original people online all forgot how to use the internet
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<boob> discord is going to do age verification for everyone soon, i think matrix will end up getting a boost as a result
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<davidv> i think it'll only be a temporary boost
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<davidv> i think they'll find their next discord or steam will create one, its a pain trying to get anyone to use xmpp or matrix
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<d1abl0> there's already a discord clone like but still missing some features
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<d1abl0> its called stoat
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<Aberyst> It'll be a boost on some niche communities, I feel
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<Aberyst> Stoat's been around too
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<Aberyst> It was Revolt
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<d1abl0> Yea
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<d1abl0> average discord user would be too confused to use matrix or xmpp imo
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<Aberyst> And then you have the odd ones like Fluxer
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<d1abl0> the first preference most likely be a clone with familiar interface and easy onboarding
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<davidv> steam has a great opportunity to do one, seamless adoption
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<d1abl0> discord has evolved more than just for gamers though...
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<davidv> ya but companies and projects that use discord can very easily find a new place to discuss
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<davidv> gamers will need a place to screenshare and gc
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<davidv> i wonder how many people will even leave discord since so much is on it
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<d1abl0> yea
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<mralexander> hi
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<davidv> hai
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<d1abl0> i feel like only the adult specific stuff will require ids, rest of discord will function as usual
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<d1abl0> mralexander, hello there
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<boob> > i feel like only the adult specific stuff will require ids, rest of discord will function as usual
yeah this is what i read about it
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<mralexander> > mralexander, hello there
hi
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<mralexander> how its goin?
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<boob> any age gated chatroom and servers will be blocked for unverified users
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<boob> but also blocking "sensitive content" which idk what that means in the context of discord
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<d1abl0> > > i feel like only the adult specific stuff will require ids, rest of discord will function as usual
> yeah this is what i read about it
then I guess most general community servers wouldn't need any changes
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<boob> i'm thinking of places like the uboachan discord server
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<boob> which is 18+, and the users probably care about privacy
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<d1abl0> > but also blocking "sensitive content" which idk what that means in the context of discord
they already have a filter no?
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<boob> i'm not sure, i've never encountered it
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<boob> i mostly hang around in a small friendserver
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<davidv> > i'm thinking of places like the uboachan discord server
thank you for introducing me to something i never heard of before
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<boob> sure np lol
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<d1abl0> i just googled it and it seems they also have a matrix channel
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<boob> i'm not a huge imageboard user, but i float around some obscure ones, so i know about their communities
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<d1abl0> they are using envs for homeserver, and envs is also downsizing and closing their matrix server
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<boob> i tried connecting to their matrix channel and i couldn't
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<boob> idk what's up with it
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<boob> i'm a matrix noob so /shrug
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<RGB keyboard> >> but also blocking "sensitive content" which idk what that means in the context of discord
> they already have a filter no?
Moderators choose a NSFW tag but only for channels iirc
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<d1abl0> > i tried connecting to their matrix channel and i couldn't
probably envs already shutdown their matrix server, they couldn't keep up with the costs, thats totally fine cause afterall its run as a hobby
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<Aberyst> Discord's changes just feel icky regardless of how they're implementing it, honestly.
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<boob> > > i tried connecting to their matrix channel and i couldn't
> probably envs already shutdown their matrix server, they couldn't keep up with the costs, thats totally fine cause afterall its run as a hobby
but with discord verification surely they'll have to boot it up again
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<RGB keyboard> >> i tried connecting to their matrix channel and i couldn't
> probably envs already shutdown their matrix server, they couldn't keep up with the costs, thats totally fine cause afterall its run as a hobby
They started to run a xmpp server though. It may bring more people from their Matrix maybe
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<davidv> > > i tried connecting to their matrix channel and i couldn't
> probably envs already shutdown their matrix server, they couldn't keep up with the costs, thats totally fine cause afterall its run as a hobby
that was a shame because some parts of it were actually active
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<boob> oh? they have an xmpp server
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<boob> i didn't know that
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<Aberyst> > <RGB keyboard> >> i tried connecting to their matrix channel and i couldn't
> > probably envs already shutdown their matrix server, they couldn't keep up with the costs, thats totally fine cause afterall its run as a hobby
> They started to run a xmpp server though. It may bring more people from their Matrix maybe
Might be a lot easier to host too
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<d1abl0> yea I just looked up
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<d1abl0> they are running prosody now
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<d1abl0> > > <RGB keyboard> >> i tried connecting to their matrix channel and i couldn't
> > > probably envs already shutdown their matrix server, they couldn't keep up with the costs, thats totally fine cause afterall its run as a hobby
> > They started to run a xmpp server though. It may bring more people from their Matrix maybe
>
> Might be a lot easier to host too
yea i've heard synapse is resource intensive
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<Aberyst> There are alternatives, but yeah, Synapse itself is huge compared to things like ejabberd or Prosody
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<boob> i can't seem to find this xmpp server, i just looked it up and got nothing
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<RGB keyboard> Xmpp server as in?
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<d1abl0> > i can't seem to find this xmpp server, i just looked it up and got nothing
for envs?
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<boob> > Xmpp server as in?
you meant for envs, i think i misread
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<boob> disregard, i thought you meant an uboachan xmpp lol
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<boob> but i remember you said they used envs and it was shutting down
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<RGB keyboard> Envs Matrix is shutted down
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<RGB keyboard> https://envs.net/chat/xmpp
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<RGB keyboard> And they opened an xmpp server. But migration is a choice of older Matrix users
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<babuguus> i am boob, i think i'll try to interact with this chat from matrix, boob is a throwaway account.
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<muckle> I had a xmpp server on i2p network before running prosody
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<muckle> Works well
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<muckle> However more users on IRC on i2p
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<k3nadianpup> https://share.conversations.im/k3nadianpup/message/54zr8VI2JljPf3i8/J3C1APWdTNSKmbCsZArvSg.epub
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<k3nadianpup> https://share.conversations.im/k3nadianpup/message/Sc48ESYXBbLyjEYR/TN3iC1NERxOTPlL1xy9UyA.epub
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<k3nadianpup> https://share.conversations.im/k3nadianpup/message/0CHZyTJts0hSoSuc/j9wfd4__Q7uJ3Oth8f56JQ.epub
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<k3nadianpup> https://share.conversations.im/k3nadianpup/message/bPaCZ1etzd7fRKyb/i1oFQ9KnQxa5SpV1KgojKg.null
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<k3nadianpup> https://share.conversations.im/k3nadianpup/message/F0qP8nfDct29luCi/i2fV2pC6QKKNIJppUJMcyQ.epub
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<k3nadianpup> https://share.conversations.im/k3nadianpup/message/KLLNdJrEO3LWCiTT/90tbIDa9T8WGfOW6lBpDOA.epub
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<k3nadianpup> https://share.conversations.im/k3nadianpup/message/NDfs3Z8sapchhJdg/NpVDpjq0S0eUEaVsJR_wNA.null
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<muckle> What's this spam
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<muckle> 👀
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<k3nadianpup> Free books
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<k3nadianpup> Not spam
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<k3nadianpup> You would have to pay over 200 on amazion
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<muckle> What sort of books would that be
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<muckle> Malware pdf 😂
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<RGB keyboard> I don't have a PDF reader so can't check the content
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<RGB keyboard> > https://share.conversations.im/k3nadianpup/message/F0qP8nfDct29luCi/i2fV2pC6QKKNIJppUJMcyQ.epub
This one doesn't open
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<RGB keyboard> Others are books about religion and philosophy based on titles
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<RGB keyboard> > However more users on IRC on i2p
IRC generally has more users tbh
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<k3nadianpup> Download to your local computer should easy to open then
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<RGB keyboard> Yeah I quickly installed a PDF reader
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<k3nadianpup> Epub is also the standard for lot of ebook tablets
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<RGB keyboard> I want epub to be more common. Has it's advantages over PDF
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<RGB keyboard> Mainly easier dark mode
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<k3nadianpup> Its a lot less private, had more in common with http on the backend
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<babuguus> i like epub, it's great for small screens
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<babuguus> i have a tiny ereader, i always use epub when i can
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<jexams> Big epub fan. Only really do pdf for ttrpg sourcebooks
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<muckle> I always used libgen for pdf books https://libgen.com.im/
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<muckle> Many different proxys to the database
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<muckle> Think there is a python script also
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<Aberyst> > <@jexams:aria-net.org> Big epub fan. Only really do pdf for ttrpg sourcebooks
I feel like PDF is also just too 'bulky' of a format for some use-cases. It preserves the source formatting which you don't *really* need sometimes.