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<assadullah> > It doesn't have to be something bad for someone who has seen the truth, that is, someone who is enlightened, who sees through it. But people have a strong aversion to these things, so it is suffering. Most people suffer, it is a fact of life, a natural part of being human. So, if God is the being who created all this, then he is to blame for the suffering he brings to living beings. Of course, I don't believe in this God, because I am Buddhist.
Great, you must be familiar with the Arrow Sutta, which basically goes against everything you said. Suffering does not exist for any Buddhist. For example, the enlightened Buddha sometimes said that the body (which was not his) felt the sensations, but he (Siddhart Gautama) no.
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<assadullah> Suffering only exists as long as consciousness is trapped in the duality of the world (avijja), when the person reaches Nirvana and overcomes the Samsara is no longer subject to duality and can choose to suffer or not. That's why the Noble Truths are the recognition of suffering.
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<assadullah> Dont interpret dukkha as literal in the Noble Truths, the Enlightened One said and preached teachings that if taken literally contradict him, a great example of this is attributing death as suffering.
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<assadullah> Don't interpret dukkha as literal in the Noble Truths, the Enlightened One said and preached teachings that if taken literally contradict him, a great example of this is attributing death as suffering. Hence the recognition of the nature of suffering (desire).
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<strayson> Your statements are correct, but your interpretation is not. Buddhist thinking does not see the universe as a single nature, it is instead based on experiential reality. Therefore suffering exists(1st noble truth) so long as there is desire and aversion (second noble truth). That means, for the unenlightened being, suffering is real. The whole idea of Buddhism is basically the study and analysis of suffering, as it is the main problem it tries to adress..
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<assadullah> > Your statements are correct, but your interpretation is not. Buddhist thought does not view the universe as a single nature; instead, it is based on experiential reality. Therefore, suffering exists (first noble truth) as long as there is craving and aversion (second noble truth). This means that for the unenlightened being, suffering is real. The whole idea of Buddhism is basically the study and analysis of suffering, as it is the main problem it tries to address.
But you feel no desire, the doctrine of no-self literally goes against everything you assert.
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<assadullah> https://suttacentral.net/sn22.59/en/sujato?lang=en&layout=plain&reference=none¬es=asterisk&highlight=false&script=latin
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<assadullah> You are not the body, you are the mind. The one who must prove that feelings exist is you, you went against the entire Buddhist doctrine in just this speech. The non-self does not feel, it cannot suffer, you are the anatta.
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<assadullah> Yes, Buddha doesn't deny that the soul (attan) has anatta.
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<JesusGod-Pope666.Info - Darkijah> > strayson:
> 2025-05-15 01:06 (GMT+02:00)
> Here's a question for you two abrahamic zealots. If God's all powerful and loving, why is there so much suffering in this world?
We live in a fallen world, like it is and very start of the book.
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<JesusGod-Pope666.Info - Darkijah> Start at the beginning!
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<JesusGod-Pope666.Info - Darkijah> > assadullah:
> 2025-05-15 01:22 (GMT+02:00)
> Suffering does not exist
I suffer.
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<JesusGod-Pope666.Info - Darkijah> > assadullah:
> 2025-05-15 01:25 (GMT+02:00)
> Many people have this and say they don't suffer, and what if I told you that pain isn't bad? Much less sadness or old age, that's all relative – it doesn't exist.
> Since when is sadness a bad thing?
I guess evil does not exist then either.
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<assadullah> >> assadullah:
>> 2025-05-15 01:22 (GMT+02:00)
>> Suffering does not exist
> I suffer.
Because your God is anthropomorphic, that's why you suffer
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<assadullah> You don't suffer, stop being crazy
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<JesusGod-Pope666.Info - Darkijah> Jesus was resurected in bodily form, we who believe will likewise have an eternal body as part of our living being.
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<Maranda> 🤦